Fender Tag Question....

[71GTX]

Hey folks....I bought my 71 GTX without a fender tag and decided to make my own, it will never be original, but I do want to have something on the inner fender to show what I have....just wanting opinions here to see if what I have makes sense....here it goes....the transmission is a heavy duty hemi tranny, not sure if this code is correct for this....any and all help will be appreciated!

R11 V21 END
G33 J45 M21 N41 N42 N96
FE5 U 22 C16 C55 F81
FE5 MX69 TX9 922 UNKNON
E86 D21 RS23 U1G 118XXX

RS23:
Plymouth Belvedere,Satellite
Special, GTX
2 Door Hardtop

U1G: 440 370HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
1971
St. Louis, MO, USA

118XXX: Sequence number

E86: 440 cid 4 barrel V8 (High Performance) 375hp
D21: 4 Speed Manual Transmission
FE5: Bright Red Exterior Color
MX69: Trim - Opt. Decor Group, Unknown, Unknown Color
TX9: Black Int. Door Frames
922: Build Date: September 22
UNKNON: BEING THAT ITS NOT ORIGINAL, I PUT THIS

FE5: Bright Red Top Color
U: USA Specifications
22: Unknown
C16: Console w/Woodgrain Panel
C55: Bucket Seats
F81: Unknown

G33: LH Remote Racing Mirror
J45: Hood Tie Down Pins
M21: Roof drip rail moldings
N41: Dual Exhaust
N42: Chrome Exhaust Tips
N96: Fresh Air Hood

R11: Radio Solid State AM (2 Watts)
V21: Performance Hood Treatment
END: End of Sales Codes

[ajcpaperboy]

I like your tag I messed my number up it is 1118**

[71GTX]

Just wanted to let you know my '71 FE5 road runner vin starts out rm23n1g118*** with a build date 910.
I guess that makes our cars cousins

the 922 number is one that I pulled outta my hind end too....actually it was just a guess, I picked a day and went with it....
I copied some of it from my old 71 RR that I had....most of the stuff on that car is on this one, fender tag wise!

[ajcpaperboy]

I had a reproduction tag made as mine had been splattered with battery acid.

[71440 gtx]

no do not do that tag for your car

[72RoadRunnerGTX]

no do not do that tag for your car

Please elaborate on this response.

[71GTX]

no do not do that tag for your car

OK....WHY NOT THOUGH?? The car is nowhere near original....Original motor/tranny is long gone, It has a Air Grabber, it has a 18 spline Hemi 4 speed in it already....It has most of the options that are on the tag, from what I can see and remember....

[71440 gtx]

The fender tag should match the original specifications of the car...not the newly added options. It's called misrepresentation and it's illegal. If this car is sold at some point the new owner can sue.

Besides the numbers listed are not in the correct order, and a lot of them are missing. For those who can read tags, it would be picked off as bogus immediately. I'm not trying to put you down, just protect you and your interests.

[71GTX]

Just looking for opinions....It's truly not and never was my intention to pass this off as a real tag, hence the "UNKNON" as the order number. But I was only looking to do this to put something in there to fill the "hole" under the hood....I was unaware that building fender tags was illegal....I do know that tampering with VIN numbers is....and that number is not being changed in any such manner. If its illegal, I obviously will not do it....but its funny that I took numbers directly from my 71 RR fender tag in the proper sequence, omitted 1 option, changed a couple others to reflect the proper item and you are saying that they are wrong....not that I am trying to pull one over on anyone....

If its illegal, enuf said, I will not do it then....thanx for all of your help

[71GTX]

Thanx for the info 71440 gtx....great talking to ya as well....will stay in contact! All the best to you and yours!

[Dave]

There's nothing illegal about having an obviously non-original tag made up for a car. Heck, the tags (yes, 2) that Project Blue Bird will run show all the options I've added to the car - not at all how she came from the factory. Granted, the VON is a dead giveaway on mine too (as is the Hemi engine code not matching the correct N-code VIN), and the top 2 lines of the 2nd tag read "WWW ROADRUNNERNEST COM" and "PROJECT BLUE BIRD" respectively.

The only recommendation I'd made 71GTX on that tag is to leave off the F81 code. You said you copied some codes from and old RR you had. I'm guessing this was one of them, and that the RR you had was built in Windsor, wasn't it? Of course, you could have the VON read "ALL4ME" just to have some more fun.

[Smellslike1974]

Swapping tags from another car isn't illegal????

[bruce]

VIN tags on a dash, yes. Fender tags? Not so much.

[72RoadRunnerGTX]

Swapping fender tags? There was no mention of swapping tags in this thread. They are no specific laws pertaining to altered or non-original fender/data tags as they are not considered legally as identifying labels by any means. The safety sticker on the door jamb containing the vin is also not an official identifying label and therefore not covered under any laws covering the transfer of identifying numbers. Dash plate/rivets and body stampings are the only things specifically illegal to alter/transfer in most states.
Unfortunately, recreated/bogus fender tags have been used as part of overall attempts to defraud in the past and if can be proven, somebody may have a case to file a lawsuit biased on misrepresentation . As for the concern that some future owner may be fooled by information on a recreated fender tag, hogwash. It would be like someone telling me I couldn't paint my house green now because it wasn't originally green and when I'm dead and gone the next owner may think it was.
I too am running carefully recreated fender tags on my car, there are pictures posted on this site showing them. Some of us were not fortunate enough to have the original tags with the car at the time of purchase and have no chance of acquiring them. The codes on my tag show a combination of what options were original and changes I have made- as it sits today, changes pretty well documented here on the Nest I might add. SPD was a guess, VON is a birth date, codes for both A/C and A/G are present on the same tag, no rust pitting, no dents/damage and pristine paint(after 38 years?). Anybody the least well versed with Mopars should be able to tell they are not original, not too concerned about the guy down the road, after I'm gone, who looks at my tags and believes them to be original and makes a purchasing decision based on it.

[Smellslike1974]

Hmm okay never mind then.Thought there were some legal matters behind it.Everyone seems so obsessed with it.

Yes i said swapping.Wouldn't putting a new tag on that it isn't original to the car be swapping??Just like finding the car with no engine,and making a new engine.Its still a swap.

Then again,It depends on how your looking at it.