Layson arrested at Carlisle

[patrick]

Damned liberals always crying for the crook. Awww, he has rights! An open place where he is taken off-guard is safest. Who knows if they came to his hotel room if he had a shot gun waiting behind the door...

If you want to talk about humility, the State posts pictures of those who are behind in their child support payments (regardless if a hurricane hit their house, or if they got laid off and got a little behind) on the walls of respective county buildings. There's more important stuff to cry over such as who our next president will be...

[ryangtogtx]

I'm sure Chrysler wanted to send a message to everyone that this practice will not be tolerated. What better place to do that than at one of the largest gatherings of Mopar people in the world. In my opinion, Layson got what he had coming. I would bet that Chrysler wanted to make sure everyone knew what Layson was doing and they knew word would spread like wildfire on forums just like this one.

[Dave]

The thing everybody seems to be forgetting is that this wasn't some big sting operation. This is all part of an ongoing legal battle between Laysons and Chrysler. Carlisle was NOT the correct forum - this should have remained in the court house.

I have issues with two distinct groups - for two distinct reasons. First I have major issues with how Chrysler is handling this situation. A court ordered injunction against Layson selling any more parts - enforced if need be by law enforcement shutting him down before he even got set up on Thursday would have protected Chrysler's interests. Like I said above, the timing of all the events to put Laysons at the highest risk of having to spend a night or two in jail (which was obviously successful) is nothing more than spiteful.

Secondly, I have issues with the how the law enforcement agencies involved handled the situation. Absolutely NOTHING necessitated the lights, sirens and speeding cop cars down pedestrian-only isles. Thankfully, no innocent bystanders were hurt (the individual who was hit by the cop car suffered no injuries). However, not more than 30 minutes prior to the events, my 3yo and I were walking, hand-in-hand down that very isle. NO business to business legal dispute is worth risking injury to any child. Attempt to defend them all you like - you will not overcome the fact that for the charges filed, the response was out of line.

And for those that bemoan anyone who is standing up for Dave Layson's rights, just remember your comments here if you are ever accused of anything, and expect nobody to stand up for your rights. Protection of individual rights is the most important topic. Without the protection of those rights, who is or is not elected to any office is meaningless.

[ryangtogtx]

Whether Carlisle was the "right" place to take action can be debated, but Chrysler had every right to do what they did. I'm sure the local law enforcement needed a search warrant to conduct the arrest and seizure of property. It may have taken from Thurs. to Sat. to collect the evidence for probable cause and also get the proper search warrant from a judge in order to have a stonger case. I don't think anyone's rights were trampled on here. For all we know, Dave Layson was warned prior to the show and didn't heed the warning. If he is innocent, I'm sure he will be exhonerated.

[Ronnman]

These guys did it by the book, all you nay-sayers shouild not criticize their protocol...every felony arrest is always handled in the same way. I don't think "embarrassing" the arrestee is ever a concern. The concern is safety for the officers first. Don't comment on these items until you've walked in our shoes, just once.

Maybe you need to walk in the "General Public" shoes a little more. The first concern for an officer should be to PROTECT and SERVE the general public. I was not at Carlisle, but from all accounts that I have read here and on Moparts, I can say that the swat style tatics WERE UNNECESSARY! As Dave stated, this could have been handled in court. The police cars driving down a no car area endangered all attendees in the area. ABSOLUTELY uncalled for. Every felony arrest is not handled the same, you know it and we all know it. I have seen some of the biggest political crooks (charged with felonies) handled as if they would break into pieces if cuffed. And as far as walking in your shoes, no thanks, I do not have to feed my ego!

[bandman]

I have to agree with ryangtogtx. I bet he had plenty of opportunity to stop selling unliscened materials, but chose not to.

I know if I owned a business, and some smuck was using my name to sell his product, I would be pissed. If I talked to this individual and they thumbed their nose at me, I would do whatever I could to make sure he knew I meant business.

Anyone that purchased anything from him should be upset, because you just spent money on misrepresented products. Thats like stamping American Made on something made in China.


Anyone remember Napster? Everyone kept downloading materials until they found out little 13 year old Bobby was going to pay fines and his parents go to court.

It was a great way to get everyones attention.

[rr6pak]

Whether Carlisle was the "right" place to take action can be debated, but Chrysler had every right to do what they did. I'm sure the local law enforcement needed a search warrant to conduct the arrest and seizure of property. It may have taken from Thurs. to Sat. to collect the evidence for probable cause and also get the proper search warrant from a judge in order to have a stonger case. I don't think anyone's rights were trampled on here. For all we know, Dave Layson was warned prior to the show and didn't heed the warning. If he is innocent, I'm sure he will be exhonerated.

We dont know if Chrysler warned him to stop or not. Chrysler probably did contact him in Washington. Who knows? Yes, Chrysler had every right to do what they did. That is, to protect their trademark. Every person and or company deserves to have a trademark or patent protected, that is why we have them here in this country.
Wasn't Alakan T/A contacted by them to take the tech stuff or whatever off of his site? And that they gave him time to do it? Its probably the same scenario here. Police could have done the same thing in Washington instead of waiting to go to Carlisle.
I wasn't at the show, friends of mine where. My main concern is that the probability of some innocent person getting hurt from the cop cars or what ever is greater at a national event.

Just my 2 cents

[Smellslike1974]

Whether Carlisle was the "right" place to take action can be debated, but Chrysler had every right to do what they did. I'm sure the local law enforcement needed a search warrant to conduct the arrest and seizure of property. It may have taken from Thurs. to Sat. to collect the evidence for probable cause and also get the proper search warrant from a judge in order to have a stonger case. I don't think anyone's rights were trampled on here. For all we know, Dave Layson was warned prior to the show and didn't heed the warning. If he is innocent, I'm sure he will be exhonerated.

We dont know if Chrysler warned him to stop or not. Chrysler probably did contact him in Washington. Who knows? Yes, Chrysler had every right to do what they did. That is, to protect their trademark. Every person and or company deserves to have a trademark or patent protected, that is why we have them here in this country.
Wasn't Alakan T/A contacted by them to take the tech stuff or whatever off of his site? And that they gave him time to do it? Its probably the same scenario here. Police could have done the same thing in Washington instead of waiting to go to Carlisle.
I wasn't at the show, friends of mine where. My main concern is that the probability of some innocent person getting hurt from the cop cars or what ever is greater at a national event.

Just my 2 cents

Yeah,im pretty sure if what he was doing is correct he would have gotten some warning,or maybe even a fine.
I mean look at what Boyd Cottington did before he passed away,did he get arrested,nope.

[Dave]

So there is no mistake - I have no issue with Chrysler protecting their rightfully owned property of the trademark. It is a right and just thing to do. My issue is not THAT they are protecting their property, it's HOW they handled it, and how the cops handled it.

I really couldn't care less if Dave Layson was embarrassed. My suggestion that it should have been handled on Thursday before the show, or in the court room is that MY car show, MY vacation did not need to be interrupted in such a manner over something that could have been handled elsewhere.

[RS23-71]

Well it can be looked at both ways. It could be the police fault that they chose then and there to handle the prob or it could be layson's fault that he knew he had probs with chrysler and something like this could happen anytime and anywhere he chose to sell his disputed goods.

I will be the great comprimizer for right now and say they were both at fault for it happening at that show.

[mopar71]

So there is no mistake - I have no issue with Chrysler protecting their rightfully owned property of the trademark. It is a right and just thing to do. My issue is not THAT they are protecting their property, it's HOW they handled it, and how the cops handled it.

I really couldn't care less if Dave Layson was embarrassed. My suggestion that it should have been handled on Thursday before the show, or in the court room is that MY car show, MY vacation did not need to be interrupted in such a manner over something that could have been handled elsewhere.

Not to mention(god forbid) if a child stepped in front of one of those police cars flying down the isle! This is a family function to.

[Dave]

Not to mention(god forbid) if a child stepped in front of one of those police cars flying down the isle! This is a family function to.

Exactly. Like I said above, about 30 minutes prior to the whole thing, Samantha and I were walking hand-in-hand together down the midway. Had she been injured, Dave Layson and his parts would have been the least of their worries. Red headed Hungarians are not known for being slow to anger when acting in protection of their children.

Oh, and after further thought - I'm quite convinced that the show was not the appropriate place for this. If they needed to purchase specific parts from him (undercover) in order to make their case, one would think that doing so with payment sent via US Mail would make for a stronger case because then you get the added "Mail Fraud" charges.

[Smellslike1974]

What if he did run though,just think who could have been injured,and not only that,the cars!(if that came out that the cars are more important,im sorry i do not think that ),a police chase through that event.thats like pogo sticking in a china shop

[fourforty6pac]

What good does this do for MOPAR? They are not reproducing these parts. They should be happy someone is. I truly think that MOPAR should make it easier on the people that are reproducing parts that MOPAR won't because they consider it small change, Maybe they should have bought out Layson and put him to work for them. Oh wait, they won't do that because it is not worth their time or money. Layson should have done whatever he needed to do to get these products licensed, but he didn't so now he will pay the price. This can't be cheap for ma mopar either. Our government and law enforcement agencies like to flex their muscles and show us they are in charge. How free are we?

[1972 Road Runner GTX]

These guys did it by the book, all you nay-sayers shouild not criticize their protocol...every felony arrest is always handled in the same way. I don't think "embarrassing" the arrestee is ever a concern. The concern is safety for the officers first. Don't comment on these items until you've walked in our shoes, just once.

Maybe you need to walk in the "General Public" shoes a little more. The first concern for an officer should be to PROTECT and SERVE the general public. I was not at Carlisle, but from all accounts that I have read here and on Moparts, I can say that the swat style tatics WERE UNNECESSARY! As Dave stated, this could have been handled in court. The police cars driving down a no car area endangered all attendees in the area. ABSOLUTELY uncalled for. Every felony arrest is not handled the same, you know it and we all know it. I have seen some of the biggest political crooks (charged with felonies) handled as if they would break into pieces if cuffed. And as far as walking in your shoes, no thanks, I do not have to feed my ego!

Is it ego? Not in my case, but if that's the way you view it, then that's why you could never be a public servant...so please, no lame excuses for your inferiority complex.