1971 SSP Project

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by farmboy70 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:46 am

71_bronze_gtx wrote:
TO DAVE: The SSP would have had belt moldings originally. Are you planning to put some back on the car? Also, what about rocker moldings (aka side sill moldings)?
I am putting the rocker moldings back on. The belt moldings are up in the air.
I'm told SSP had them but there was no sign of holes or pegs on the original parts when I stripped them.
The tag has M25 and M21 CODES. I don't have a broadcast sheet.
Is it 100 percent that all SSP had the belt moldings?
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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71_bronze_gtx » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:31 pm

It appears that if the car had a canopy style vinyl top, the belt moldings were not included. I have pics of a survivor car I nearly bought that was built this way. They appear to be included on full vinyl top cars. Possibly there was a delete option.

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71_bronze_gtx » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:47 pm

I stand corrected - the only model that had belt moldings standard was the GTX. Otherwise, they were included with a full vinyl roof, and were optional on most of the Satellite line, just not on base 2-door or base 4-door. This info from the dealer's guide, courtesy of the Hamtramck-Historical website. If you haven't checked it out, you should.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/index.shtml

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71Beeper » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:55 pm

71_bronze_gtx wrote:TO 71beeper: I have taken a lot of pix of the quarter panel tear-off and am still snapping away as I fit the new panel. Not sure what you want pix of.

Probably the biggest decision you'll have to make (assuming you don't have big fitup issues) is whether you're going to put 100% of the new quarters in, or lop off the forward part where they fit to the roof. If you want to use the entire new quarter, you'll have to take off part of the drip rail. I didn't want to get into that, so I made a diagonal cut about 4" back, at the top.

71_bronze - I really didn't want to get into replacing the drip rail. I may do like you did and just not use the whole AMD rear quarter. I'm in the process of getting the rear window trim off and will take a closer look at the dutchman panel area to see it's condition.

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71_bronze_gtx » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:01 pm

Ah, yes - the Dutchman.........

The factory quarter was sandwiched between the dutchman and the trunk gutter at the back and the dutchman and the window flange at the front. Unless you want to split both of those joints so you can get the new quarter in between, you'll have to do like I did and trim the new quarter flanges back so they can just sit on top of the trunk gutter and window flange. The problem is, it's difficult to know where to make those cuts. I wound up with a couple open areas that I'll either have to fab a backer and weld it in behind, or just putty the holes.

My passenger side AMD quarter had the flange that wraps around the door jam bent too far backward - in other words not a 90 degree bend as it should have been. If you bend this too far forward, it may bubble the quarter. Same issue on the inner flange on the tail piece that sits next to the tail end of the deck lid. And it was wrinkled. Bending it made it wrinkle more. There is a tab on the bottom of that section about 1-1/2" wide that sits above the bumper. You'll probably have to bend that down to get the quarter on. Also, tab that wraps around where the rear valance bolts on - you'll probably have to bend that back almost 90 degrees to get the quarter on.

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71Beeper » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:59 am

Hmmm...I'll have a look at the flanges on my quarters to see how 'bent' they are. I'll post some pics.
In hindsight I should have bought the half quarters from AMD, but at the time the CDN buck was at par with the US dollar.

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71_bronze_gtx » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:37 am

to farmboy70:

Wondering if you did anything with the outer rockers when you had the quarters off, and if you have any pix of the area under the B-pillar with the quarter and the rocker skin off the car. I butchered mine a bit cutting the rocker skin off, not knowing how that area was constructed. I'm still not exactly sure.

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by farmboy70 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:44 am

I checked my pictures and don't have any of those areas with the quarter off.
I do remember that I cut loose the spot weld holding the drip rail and bent the rail out of the way to get clearance to install the new quarter.
The rocker has a indented area where the quarter meets. There was no rust there but I welded that area solid instead of the typical spot welds the factory uses.
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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71_bronze_gtx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:02 pm

This is what I'm struggling with - not that it matters now on the passenger side. But when I start on the other side........

See the attached pics - what I'm thinking is that the area I call "interior" boxed structure which is hidden by the quarter, is actually part of the rocker skin / outer rocker. I think the outer rocker "dips" inward at the lead joint. This dip allows the receding flange on the quarter to butt up to the area on the rocker where it dips in. That's where the lead is laid in.

Does this sound right?
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PASS SIDE QTR. ROCKER JOINT.JPG
QUARTER REMOVED TO LEAD FILL.JPG
BUTCHERED QTR. TO ROCKER JOINT.JPG

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71Beeper » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:38 pm

71Beeper wrote:Hmmm...I'll have a look at the flanges on my quarters to see how 'bent' they are. I'll post some pics.
Here's what my drivers side flange looks like....
March 12 (10).jpg

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71_bronze_gtx » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:01 pm

That looks like it's already been replaced. All those tack welds aren't factory. The original flange was spot welded. Here's mine as I was peeling it off the door jam one weld at a time. First used a cutoff wheel right on the corner to get the quarter skin out of the way. Then you can see all the welds from the back side. You're lucky, it will be much easier to grind off those tack welds than to locate and separate plug welds.
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QTR PEEL OFF DOOR JAM.jpg

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71Beeper » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:47 pm

You are correct 71.....it looks like the previous owner(s) put a partial quarter on both sides. You can see where they are joined to the original quarters in the trunk area on my pics on my thread. I think my order of operations will be to install the trunk floor, then tackle the quarters. I'll be able to install the new trunk extensions along with the new outer wheel house once the existing quarters are cut-off.

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by farmboy70 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:20 pm

Since this site has been down I was unable to post pictures but did make it to Carlisle.
Ill post pictures soon. Some may have seen the car in the show field.
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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by farmboy70 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:38 pm

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Re: 1971 SSP Project

Post by 71GTX » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:07 pm

looks nice.....Congrats
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