Layson arrested at Carlisle

Post by **Dave** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:33 pm

As some of you know, I'm close friends with Dave & Michelle Waller(MoparManuals.com). Dave & Michelle have some good knowledge about what's been going on with Laysons and Chrysler licensing. They shared a little bit with me, and what I'm able to publicly share is that what happened Saturday night was part of what has been a long, ongoing legal situation.

Here's my opinion based on what I know. Let me first say that I am no friend of Dave Layson, personally don't care for him and professionally I (like many others) would only buy from him @ shows where I could see the parts in question and take them with me right then. I have friends who have been continuously lied to by him about NOS parts they offered for him to use in getting reproduction parts made (it's been years, no repro parts are made, and he won't give the NOS originals back).

That said, there was NO reason that Saturday had to go down the way it did. This situation has been an ONGOING legal situation. It's been public knowledge for some time that Laysons were going to be at ACN, setup on the midway. There is no reason that all of this couldn't have been taken care of on Thursday - before the show started. They could have met the Laysons trucks at the gate, and never allowed them to set up. Chrysler had NO REASON to bring their dispute with Laysons to MY show. Yes, it was MY show - I was a paid participant in the show, and this distraction was completely unnecessary.

Of course, the complete over-reaction by the law enforcement where the serving of a warrant for "running a corrupt organization, trademark counterfeiting and theft by deception" was done in a manner bordering on an audition for Cops the TV show. A customer of Dave Waller's was even physically hit by one of the cop cars charging down the posted "no vehicles" midway. If the timing and manner of this arrest and evidence collection was in any way controlled or influenced by Chrysler - shame on them.

Post by **bruce** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:43 pm

Dave,
If you look at the search warrant and legal documentation posted here:

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/sho ... 166&page=4

you'll see that the complaint was made by Chrysler and included in the supporting legal documentation are interviews and comments made by Chrysler's trademark and licensing team.

It's pretty clear that Chrysler asked for this action, that Carlisle Productions cooperated (not that they had a choice but to cooperate), and that the local police force made a SHOW out of it.

ROGERLEE · Post by **ROGERLEE** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:47 pm

so you mean layson would "borrow" nos parts for him to reproduce and take his sweet time and never give them back?? some one needed to give old layson a repro hammer up side the head

Post by **bruce** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:52 pm

Layson is getting his comeuppance.

rr6pak · Post by **rr6pak** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:11 pm

Dave wrote:
Here's my opinion based on what I know. Let me first say that I am no friend of Dave Layson, personally don't care for him and professionally I (like many others) would only buy from him @ shows where I could see the parts in question and take them with me right then. I have friends who have been continuously lied to by him about NOS parts they offered for him to use in getting reproduction parts made (it's been years, no repro parts are made, and he won't give the NOS originals back).

That said, there was NO reason that Saturday had to go down the way it did. This situation has been an ONGOING legal situation. It's been public knowledge for some time that Laysons were going to be at ACN, setup on the midway. There is no reason that all of this couldn't have been taken care of on Thursday - before the show started. They could have met the Laysons trucks at the gate, and never allowed them to set up. Chrysler had NO REASON to bring their dispute with Laysons to MY show. Yes, it was MY show - I was a paid participant in the show, and this distraction was completely unnecessary.

Of course, the complete over-reaction by the law enforcement where the serving of a warrant for "running a corrupt organization, trademark counterfeiting and theft by deception" was done in a manner bordering on an audition for Cops the TV show. A customer of Dave Waller's was even physically hit by one of the cop cars charging down the posted "no vehicles" midway. If the timing and manner of this arrest and evidence collection was in any way controlled or influenced by Chrysler - shame on them.

I agree, Dave. I think the cops could have arrested him before the show. Like arrest him at the gate, or even when he got into town. The embarrassment! Even if he is a crook. I have a few friends who has dealt with him and to no good.
I dont like him either. I think the cops should have done it with a little more "professionalism" ? In that not to risk the spetators health and well being.
I'm curious what articles are going to be written in the mags. You know he will be out of business now, I would think.

Post by **Dave** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:51 pm

After reading what appears to be the legal paperwork (remember that whole thing of believing stuff you see on the internet) on the link Bruce posted, I do see where it was important for officers of the specific jurisdiction to purchase items from Laysons before they could get the warrant. Ok fine. This all could have been handled on Friday, and the arrests made off site - like at the hotel they also had the warrant for. They could have taken care of everything at the Laysons tent on Friday night, and avoided most of the circus.

What is really important to note is that they made the arrests on a Saturday evening, after 1700 hours. Timing which made it hardest for Laysons to contact their lawyers and thus provided the highest probability that Dave and his staff would have to spend at least Saturday night (if not longer) in jail. I'm not likely to believe this was "accidental" timing. Not when lights, sirens and rushing cop cars were used to serve a warrant when they were quite obviously unnecessary.

Also, from what I understand, Carlisle Events was just as surprised as everyone else at the events of Saturday evening. Of course, they had no legal standing to stop things, but anyone who has ever attended an event there knows that if CE was involved, it would have been organized, orderly and executed safely. Heck, even a 5 minute warning could have allowed them to make sure that the manufacturer midway was cleared before we had cop cars speeding down a known "no vehicles" area.

RS23-71 · Post by **RS23-71** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:51 pm

If I was in the police shoes I would have done the same thing except maybe the rush it sounds like they made into the venue. I'm sure some of it was asked for by chrylser. I would want as many ppl at a nationally public show to know its not ok to counterfeit.

Smellslike1974 · Post by **Smellslike1974** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:11 pm

Wait,if they rushed over to arrest him,wich officer took the time to reverse teh cruiser right up to the tent.

mopar71 · Post by **mopar71** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:23 pm

1971SSP wrote: Mopar71, that is the only way to buy from Laysons, at a show, where you see the item before handing over cash.

I just hope I dont have problems with them, or I am screwed!

CtownRunner · Post by **CtownRunner** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:30 pm

Did you order something waiting to be delivered?
I'd cancel any order I had and contact my credit card ASAP.

mopar71 · Post by **mopar71** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:45 pm

CtownRunner wrote:Did you order something waiting to be delivered?
I'd cancel any order I had and contact my credit card ASAP.

No, I got my stuff at the show.Thanks

1972 Road Runner GTX · Post by **1972 Road Runner GTX** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:50 am

Smellslike1974 wrote:Wow

Wait,why does it look like the officer is unlocking the cuffs?

He's not unlocking them, he is DOUBLE locking them. You do this after the initial "cuff" is completed, so there's no chance of picking the lock open.

These guys did it by the book, all you nay-sayers shouild not criticize their protocol...every felony arrest is always handled in the same way. I don't think "embarrassing" the arrestee is ever a concern. The concern is safety for the officers first. Don't comment on these items until you've walked in our shoes, just once.

Serious Satellite · Post by **Serious Satellite** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:50 am

I'd have to agree. I'm not sure why cops and the military are monday morning quarterbacked so much. Oh well. . . . too bad they didn't taze him. . .

don't taze me bro!

Post by **Dave** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:27 am

Serious Satellite wrote:I'd have to agree. I'm not sure why cops and the military are monday morning quarterbacked so much.

Probably because they are our servants, working on our behalf. Just as I critique the performance of my employees and sub contractors, it it both my right and my responsibility to critique those to whom I have delegated such powers.

Post by **bruce** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:33 am

FWIW, Layson's is out of jail and has written (most likely his lawyer wrote it) a reply to the charges. It's posted on the "Layson's Problems" thread on Moparts. The reply claims the defense to the charges and the response to the charges will be "vigorous".